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#dosing-titration 2025-02-03

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  • lot_number_lou — the trials escalated on a fixed schedule because a trial has to. you are not a trial 15:11
  • lyophile_liv — i escalate on symptoms. if the current dose is still doing something i stay on it 16:08
  • VialBot — Assay note: WWB lot C-4402 reported at 99.2% of label content. 16:37

i have been at 5 for 26 months and honestly i have stopped wanting to move

BF

small steps are better than big ones and the only reason people take big ones is impatience

is there a point where going up stops buying you anything

LN

my titration ladder took 19 months to climb and i would do it slower again

LN

is there a trial anywhere that studied twice weekly, or is it all anecdote

how do you tell a plateau from just being at your set point

AA

my rule: if a side effect is still there at day five, i hold. if it clears by day three, i step

the argument for splitting is a flatter curve. the argument against is you have doubled your injections for a guess

do you count from injection day or from when you actually felt it

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LN

came down from a treatment dose to maintenance over about three months and it was uneventful, still working it out

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came down, no regrets

NP

whats your rule for when a side effect means hold rather than push

nobody here can tell you what dose to be on and the ones who try get corrected

NP

whats the smallest step anyone has managed between doses

you do not have to escalate at all. that is a real option that gets forgotten

thats anecdote

BF

right so has anyone gone up and then straight back down and been glad they tried

if the current dose is still working, going up is spending headroom you might want later

end of week thing

NP

what does the room think about jumping a rung to catch up

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AA

update from 11 months ago: held at the same dose the whole time and still losing slowly, i could be wrong

MS

is it normal for appetite to come back at the end of the week
if it "stopped working after four days" that is almost never pharmacokinetics

MS

i jumped a rung once to catch up after a supply gap and it was a bad week. would not repeat, n of 1 obviously

LN

the trials escalated on a fixed schedule because a trial has to. you are not a trial

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LN

a missed week does not reset you, but going straight back to the top dose after a gap is how people get floored

AA

slightly off topic but if it "stopped working after four days" that is almost never pharmacokinetics

steady state is 5 weeks

i went to the top of the ladder, felt no better than two rungs down, and came back. that is data for me and nobody else

LL

i drifted from sunday to wednesday over a year and only noticed when i checked the log, anyway

NP

if i hold at 5 indefinitely am i losing anything
the argument for splitting is a flatter curve. the argument against is you have doubled your injections for a guess

for the archive i went from 10 to 15 and honestly could not tell the difference in appetite, your mileage will differ

appetite returning at the end of the week is extremely common and is not the dose failing

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right so plateau versus set point is not answerable in under six months of data

LL

i escalate on symptoms. if the current dose is still doing something i stay on it

wk 1-4    0.25mg
wk 5-10   0.50mg   (held 2 extra weeks)
wk 11-14  1.00mg
wk 15-26  1.70mg   (held, long)
wk 27+    2.40mg
LN

i hold for two months minimum before i decide a dose has stopped doing anything

VB

Assay note: WWB lot C-4402 reported at 99.2% of label content.