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#dosing-titration 2025-02-11

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  • stack_sceptic — is there a point where going up stops buying you anything 13:49
  • apnoea_down_two — i drifted from sunday to wednesday over a year and only noticed when i checked the log 13:54
  • mg_per_ml — anyone tracked whether a smaller more frequent dose changed their side effects 15:45
  • pbs_pip — the argument for splitting is a flatter curve. the argument against is you have doubled your injections for a guess 16:19
  • provincial_pat — i went up too fast and im paying for it, do i drop back or ride it out the honest answer is that most of us are running protocols nobody has ever studied 17:03
SS

is there a point where going up stops buying you anything

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AD

you do not have to escalate at all. that is a real option that gets forgotten, for what its worth

steady state is 5 weeks

i hold for two months minimum before i decide a dose has stopped doing anything

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i drifted from sunday to wednesday over a year and only noticed when i checked the log

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is there a trial anywhere that studied twice weekly, or is it all anecdote
i jumped a rung once to catch up after a supply gap and it was a bad week. would not repeat

SS

update on the earlier thing whats a sensible maintenance dose after a year at treatment dose

pick a day and stick to it

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not advice

go slower

SS

follow up is there any actual reason to escalate every 4 weeks other than the trial did it

MP

appetite returning at the end of the week is extremely common and is not the dose failing

the people who do best here are almost always the ones going slowest

PP

whats your rule for when a side effect means hold rather than push

MP

if you are going up because the scale stalled for two weeks, wait. two weeks is noise, anyway

MP

anyone tracked whether a smaller more frequent dose changed their side effects

Trial scheduleWhat most people here do
Step interval4 weeks, fixed4-12 weeks, on symptoms
Holdingprotocol deviationnormal and expected
Top dosereached by designoften never reached
Coming downnot studiedcommon at maintenance
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i have been at 2 for 7 months and honestly i have stopped wanting to move

SS

thats noise

Cited study
Semaglutide vs Liraglutide for Weight Loss in Adults with Overweight or Obesity (STEP 8)
JAMA · 2022
Weekly against daily, head to head.
PP

slightly off topic but after a gap of more than about three weeks i restart one rung lower. thats my own rule, not advice

plateau versus set point is not answerable in under six months of data

the argument for splitting is a flatter curve. the argument against is you have doubled your injections for a guess

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my dose day has drifted 2 days later over 13 months, does it matter

slightly off topic but how do you tell a plateau from just being at your set point

i escalate on symptoms. if the current dose is still doing something i stay on it

SA

the trials escalated on a fixed schedule because a trial has to. you are not a trial, i could be wrong

end of week thing

U-100 syringe: 1 unit = 0.01 ml
  10u = 0.10 ml
  25u = 0.25 ml
  50u = 0.50 ml
 100u = 1.00 ml
mg drawn = ml drawn x mg/ml

i would hold

PP

dose day drift is mostly harmless with a weekly compound, but pick a day and defend it