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#hplc-massspec 2026-06-17

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  • orfor_watch — two labs a point or two apart on the same lot is normal and gets mistaken for one of them being wrong constantly, your mileage will differ 22:08
  • factory_direct_fi — if somebody says they ran a mass spec and does not show you a spectrum, that is a claim, not a result 22:43
  • nordic_price_nils — a certificate with a number and no chromatogram is asking you to trust the integration you cannot see a warm transit can put a visible degradant peak on a… 23:18
  • nordic_price_nils — is monoisotopic or average mass the one on most certificates 23:44
OO

has anyone ever had a result where the mass was right and the purity was wrong
monoisotopic and average diverge more the bigger the molecule. say which one you are quoting

GG

is uv at 214 or 280 better for peptides

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OW

quick one do you trust an area percent from a shallow gradient

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LM

if the number you are staring at is a third of what you expected, do the charge state arithmetic before you panic

thats the solvent peak

i have had a lot where the mass was exactly right and the purity was 96.8. wrong question, right answer

OW

i was wrong about tailing factor. it is usually the injection or the pH, not the column

SN

the first peak is the solvent. it is always the solvent, i have it written down somewhere

plus 16 is oxidation

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run a blank

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OO

slightly off topic but how do you tell co-elution from a clean single peak

SN

truncations show as a mass deficit matching one or more residues. you need the sequence to say which, i have it written down somewhere

monoisotopic and average diverge more the bigger the molecule. say which one you are quoting

is there any point running a blank if the sample is the question

OO

a dimer usually shows up late and at roughly double the mass. the chromatogram alone will not tell you, take that with a pinch of salt

OW

i have a number at about a third of what i expected, is that a charge state

FD

update from 13 months ago: switched to asking for the chromatogram rather than the number and it changed everything

why does integration change the number so much

YV

does ms/ms actually prove identity or just make it very likely

OW

two labs a point or two apart on the same lot is normal and gets mistaken for one of them being wrong constantly, your mileage will differ

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you need more sample for identity than for purity. plan for that when you post it

ms/ms or it isnt identity

YV

how much sample does a lab actually need for identity as well as purity

TT

integration choices move the number by a few tenths easily. that is most of your inter-lab variance

FD

if somebody says they ran a mass spec and does not show you a spectrum, that is a claim, not a result

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a shoulder on a peak is information, and usually bad information

if the lab reports area percent without stating the wavelength, the number is less useful than it looks

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PM

quick one ms/ms sequencing is the only thing i would call identity. everything else is circumstantial

OW

while im here nobody runs enough blanks, including me

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OW

deamidation is about plus 0.98 Da. it is not a rounding error, it is a degradant

NP

a certificate with a number and no chromatogram is asking you to trust the integration you cannot see
a warm transit can put a visible degradant peak on a chromatogram. that is what 6 days at ambient does

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PM

retention time is a hint, not a fingerprint. two different peptides can co-elute perfectly happily, ymmv

is monoisotopic or average mass the one on most certificates

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