has anyone ever had a result where the mass was right and the purity was wrong
monoisotopic and average diverge more the bigger the molecule. say which one you are quoting
#hplc-massspec 2026-06-17
- orfor_watch — two labs a point or two apart on the same lot is normal and gets mistaken for one of them being wrong constantly, your mileage will differ 22:08
- factory_direct_fi — if somebody says they ran a mass spec and does not show you a spectrum, that is a claim, not a result 22:43
- nordic_price_nils — a certificate with a number and no chromatogram is asking you to trust the integration you cannot see a warm transit can put a visible degradant peak on a… 23:18
- nordic_price_nils — is monoisotopic or average mass the one on most certificates 23:44
is uv at 214 or 280 better for peptides
quick one do you trust an area percent from a shallow gradient
if the number you are staring at is a third of what you expected, do the charge state arithmetic before you panic
thats the solvent peak
i have had a lot where the mass was exactly right and the purity was 96.8. wrong question, right answer
i was wrong about tailing factor. it is usually the injection or the pH, not the column
need more sample
the first peak is the solvent. it is always the solvent, i have it written down somewhere
plus 16 is oxidation
run a blank
slightly off topic but how do you tell co-elution from a clean single peak
truncations show as a mass deficit matching one or more residues. you need the sequence to say which, i have it written down somewhere
coming back after 23 months, what changed in how you read these
integration difference
monoisotopic and average diverge more the bigger the molecule. say which one you are quoting
is there any point running a blank if the sample is the question
a dimer usually shows up late and at roughly double the mass. the chromatogram alone will not tell you, take that with a pinch of salt
214nm sees the amide backbone so it sees everything. 280 only sees aromatics
i have a number at about a third of what i expected, is that a charge state
update from 13 months ago: switched to asking for the chromatogram rather than the number and it changed everything
why does integration change the number so much
thats co-elution
does ms/ms actually prove identity or just make it very likely
two labs a point or two apart on the same lot is normal and gets mistaken for one of them being wrong constantly, your mileage will differ
co-elution is the failure mode that a beautiful single peak is most likely to be hiding
you need more sample for identity than for purity. plan for that when you post it
ms/ms or it isnt identity
ask for the trace
how much sample does a lab actually need for identity as well as purity
shallow gradient
integration choices move the number by a few tenths easily. that is most of your inter-lab variance
if somebody says they ran a mass spec and does not show you a spectrum, that is a claim, not a result
the honest position is that hobby-level interpretation of a chromatogram is worth something but not much
a shoulder on a peak is information, and usually bad information
if the lab reports area percent without stating the wavelength, the number is less useful than it looks
quick one ms/ms sequencing is the only thing i would call identity. everything else is circumstantial
while im here nobody runs enough blanks, including me
[edited]deamidation is about plus 0.98 Da. it is not a rounding error, it is a degradant
a certificate with a number and no chromatogram is asking you to trust the integration you cannot see
a warm transit can put a visible degradant peak on a chromatogram. that is what 6 days at ambient does
plus 0.98 is deamidation
retention time is a hint, not a fingerprint. two different peptides can co-elute perfectly happily, ymmv
how would a truncation sequence show up
is monoisotopic or average mass the one on most certificates