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#dosing-titration 2024-10-26

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Highlights from this day
  • septum_sal — dose day drift is mostly harmless with a weekly compound, but pick a day and defend it 14:11
  • septum_sal — the argument for splitting is a flatter curve. the argument against is you have doubled your injections for a guess 16:17
  • rotate_the_site — the people who do best here are almost always the ones going slowest, thats just me 16:19
  • rotate_the_site — appetite returning at the end of the week is extremely common and is not the dose failing 17:16
TT

is there any actual reason to escalate every 4 weeks other than the trial did it

my titration ladder took 3 months to climb and i would do it slower again

SS

dose day drift is mostly harmless with a weekly compound, but pick a day and defend it

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half life is a week

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a missed week does not reset you, but going straight back to the top dose after a gap is how people get floored

SS

if i took it 4 days late do i shift the schedule or go back to the old day

if it "stopped working after four days" that is almost never pharmacokinetics

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how much does the last dose still matter 8 days later

stepping back down on purpose is a completely reasonable move and this channel should say so more often

PT

i went to the top of the ladder, felt no better than two rungs down, and came back. that is data for me and nobody else

how do you decide between holding and stepping when both feel wrong

FN

slightly off topic but is there a trial anywhere that studied twice weekly, or is it all anecdote

i hold for two months minimum before i decide a dose has stopped doing anything

Cited study
Once-Weekly Semaglutide in Adults with Overweight or Obesity (STEP 1)
New England Journal of Medicine · 2021
68 weeks, semaglutide 2.4mg weekly against placebo, with lifestyle intervention in both arms.
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SS

the honest answer is that most of us are running protocols nobody has ever studied

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the argument for splitting is a flatter curve. the argument against is you have doubled your injections for a guess

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RT

the people who do best here are almost always the ones going slowest, thats just me

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the ladder in the trials is a starting point, not a schedule you owe anyone

holding is not failing. most people here who lasted two years held at least one dose for months

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SV

split dosing has no trial behind it. people here do it and report on it, thats all

Cited study
Once-Weekly Semaglutide in Adults with Overweight or Obesity (STEP 1)
New England Journal of Medicine · 2021
68 weeks, semaglutide 2.4mg weekly against placebo, with lifestyle intervention in both arms.

nobody here can tell you what dose to be on and the ones who try get corrected

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RT

came down from a treatment dose to maintenance over about three months and it was uneventful

my dose day has drifted 2 days later over 16 months, does it matter

appetite returning at the end of the week is extremely common and is not the dose failing

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PT

the trials escalated on a fixed schedule because a trial has to. you are not a trial

RS

follow up small steps are better than big ones and the only reason people take big ones is impatience

i jumped a rung once to catch up after a supply gap and it was a bad week. would not repeat

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with a roughly seven day half-life you are near steady state after about five weeks at a dose, someone check my working

not advice

TT

whats a sensible maintenance dose after a year at treatment dose

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