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#vendor-verification 2026-02-04

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Highlights from this day
  • declared_value — we refresh on new evidence, not on a clock. an old verification with no recent results says so on the entry 12:43
  • sgp_subq — verification is not a recommendation. it means the evidence standard has been met, nothing more 12:46
  • lipase_lore — what actually counts as evidence for a verification if the evidence is thin the entry says the evidence is thin. that is more useful than a score 13:18
  • lean_mass_lex — verification has never been for sale and never will be. offers get posted publicly with the sender redacted 13:49
  • ring_size_down — is a screenshot of a report ever acceptable 15:41
LM

a good result with bad sample handling gets logged with a note about the handling. context is part of the record, we shall see
a verified supplier can still ship you a bad vial. verification is about the record, not about your parcel

LM

if you want to help, buy a lot, test it, and post the report with the lot number. that is the whole contribution, thats one data point

JJ

the mods maintain the log. the room supplies the evidence and argues about it, which is the correct division, your mileage will differ
somebody once offered to fund the testing programme in exchange for an entry. the offer is in the log

JJ

if the evidence is thin the entry says the evidence is thin. that is more useful than a score

a referral link is disqualifying because it makes the reporter an interested party. that is all

update from 16 months ago: HJ added evidence and the entry now reflects it

LM

the point of the standard is that it applies to suppliers we like as well as ones we do not, ymmv

we have never revoked on a single result. we have revoked on a pattern

NF

verification is revoked on a confirmed failure and the revocation stays in the log permanently
we refresh on new evidence, not on a clock. an old verification with no recent results says so on the entry

DV

two labs a point or two apart on one lot is normal. both go in the log with both numbers

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NF

a supplier improving shows in the log as later entries, not as earlier entries being edited

SS

i have watched this standard hold for three years including when it was inconvenient for a popular supplier

DV

we refresh on new evidence, not on a clock. an old verification with no recent results says so on the entry

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a verified supplier can still ship you a bad vial. verification is about the record, not about your parcel

SS

verification is not a recommendation. it means the evidence standard has been met, nothing more

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sorry to jump in somebody once offered to fund the testing programme in exchange for an entry. the offer is in the log

LL

what counts: an independent report, on a lot you bought yourself, with the lot number, from a lab the room recognises

log it either way

what actually counts as evidence for a verification
if the evidence is thin the entry says the evidence is thin. that is more useful than a score

EvidenceCounts?
Independent report, lot you bought, lot number legibleyes
Independent report, no lot numberno
Supplier certificate onlyno
Screenshot of a reportno
Blinded pooled submissionyes, for the pool
A friend who said it was fineno
LL

i have a result but i did not buy the lot myself, does that count

coming back to this is there a version of the log i can read chronologically

not a recommendation

EvidenceCounts?
Independent report, lot you bought, lot number legibleyes
Independent report, no lot numberno
Supplier certificate onlyno
Screenshot of a reportno
Blinded pooled submissionyes, for the pool
A friend who said it was fineno
NF

unrelated but what does not count: the supplier certificate alone, a screenshot, a referral link, or a friend who says it was fine, from memory

LM

verification has never been for sale and never will be. offers get posted publicly with the sender redacted

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thats not evidence, ask me again in a month

sorry to jump in does a supplier certificate on its own count for anything

lot number or nothing

HH

two labs disagree on the same lot, which one goes in the log

JJ

the lot number on the certificate does not match my vial, what now

LM

a lot number mismatch between the vial and the certificate is a serious finding. post it with photos of both

revoked stays in the log

*PeptideMeter not the other one

OW

the log is readable chronologically and that is deliberate. the trajectory matters more than the current line

unrelated but how long does a verification stay current before it needs refreshing